Lost Theories: Did Jacob Really Give The Order?

My friend John and I were talking about last night’s episode (Cabin Fever), and he brought up a really good point: What if Christian ISN’T talking on Jacob’s behalf?

There were two things that really bothered me about that scene. The first was Claire’s sly smile while she was in the cabin with Christian and Locke. It seemed like the type of smile you’d see on someone that was happy they conned someone into something.

The other thing that bothered me was the Christian told Locke not to tell anyone about seeing Claire. Why not?

One of the things that John brought up was Locke didn’t tell Hurley and Ben that he didn’t speak directly with Jacob, but to Christian instead (and oh, by the way, Claire was there too).

What if there are forces on the island that both want John there (Alpert and Abbadon), but want him there for two different reasons? We’ve been operating under the assumption that The Others are just one big happy… well, ok, maybe not happy

Anyway…

We’ve been operating under the assumption that The Others just have one faction. What if there are two different factions? One that wants to help the island, and another that wants to undermine it? One that does good, another that does evil? Could the evil side have set things into motion that will undermine the good side?

All of this is obviously big-time speculation, but we like that sort of thing around here.

What do you think?

LOST: Cabin Fever Live Blog

Last Update: I’ll do a write-up later.

Update: “He wants us to move the island”

Update: Ben and Hurley sharing an Apollo bar, while Locke finds out how to save the island.

Update: Oh wow… I guess those theories that Claire is dead are true.

Update: Christian Shepard speaking on behalf of Jacob.

Update: Ben’s handing over the reigns of the island. I think Ben’s more scared than we’ve ever seen him.

Update: I thought that beeping was a bomb.

Update: Desmond isn’t technically one of the 815ers, so he might have made it back to the mainland too.

Update: Commercials

Update: How many people left on that boat?

Update: Dead doc, dead captain. That must be a detonation device on his arm.

Update: Keamy is just not one nice guy.

Update: “When you and me run into each other again, you’ll owe me one?” Yikes!

Update: WALKABOUT! Wow! People manipulating The 815ers to get on the plane!

Update: CREEPY ALERT

Update: Guys? Cabin. (Gotta love Hurley).

Update: Consequences to being chosen.

Update: THG.com Guy, I think that safe spot must be “the temple” Ben told people to go to. How Widmore would know about that… unless people sent him reports before The Purge.

Update: Commercials

Update: Oh, Desmond… Don’t stay with the bad guys.

Update: What’s that on Keamy’s arm? A radio?

Update: Michael’s still fighting for his friends.

Update: Mittlelos anagram for Lost Time.

Update: I like “boxing”…. heh, he got that job.

Update: Geronimo Jones poster inside that locker.

Update: “I think I’ll stick with you guys”.

Update: I saw that Dharma logo too. Must have some of that organization still off island doing work. Kinda makes sense.

Update: Ha! They really are bringing back “The Mole”

Update: Commercials

Update: Notice that morse code? The timelines are screwier than we thought. So, the doc died before the message was sent on the boat. That island/boat timeline isn’t just 30-ish minutes off. It’s varying.

Update: Ok…Widmore knows enough to know where Ben would be heading??

Update: Two key protocol.

Update: Ben looked a bit surprised at who Locke singled out.

Update: Their “leaders”? Plural?

Update: Alpert looked a little disturbed by that knife pick.

Update: Which things belong to you already… sand from the island, compass, the knife

Update: Nice picture of Smokey.

Update: Either Alpert is dead, or he’s got this time travel thing down.

Update: Hasn’t Locke met Alpert before? Must not have.

Update: Commercials.

Update: That’s why I think he’s dead, like Horace. He just knows how to deal with it.

Update: Richard Alpert. Hasn’t aged a day.

Update: She can’t hold her own baby?

Update: And… it’s all a dream. Ben: “I used to have dreams”. Transfer of power.

Update: Interesting time loop.

Update: Now, if you were dead. Would YOU be chopping trees?

Update: Gotta love the eyeball shot.

Update: Yes, I’m kidding.

Update: Commercials. First big question, Who’s Locke’s Father?

Update: Gun Jam. Thank you island.

Update: The doctor is still alive… AFTER the Smoke Monster attack.

Update: Interesting. They don’t know where the cabin is. Looks like a Locke-centric episode.

Update: John? John Locke?

Update: Another quick open with no recap. Weird. It’s 1950-ish.

Update: These shows that go over by a minute or two are ticking me off.

I’ll be posting in this thread for the LOST episode “Cabin Fever”.

LOST: Feedback on EW’s Recap of Something Nice Back Home

Jeff Jensen at EW.com has an excellent synopsis and analysis of Something Nice Back home which you should read.

A few things I’d like to respond to in that article:

We learned that shortly after Kate’s trial, Jack got over his aversion to Aaron (though it wasn’t explained how or why he was so anti-Aaron to begin with) and shacked up with the former fugitive.

I’ve said this in other postings, but I think it’s because Jack feels somewhat responsible for Claire. I don’t have any evidence of this, other than his need to save people.

Sealing the deal was his mounting paranoia that Kate was pulling a Sarah and stepping out on him. And as it turned out, Kate did have another man on her mind: Apparently, she had been secretly fulfilling a promise she made to Sawyer before leaving the Island. (My guess: The shaggy con man asked her to look in on Clementine, the daughter he had with con gal Cassidy.)

I posted this earlier, and I can’t figure out who else he would want Kate to check on… I’m still not completely sold.

The headline of Jack’s newspaper read, ”Yankees bludgeon Red Sox in series sweep.” The Yankees swept a series with the Red Sox late in the 2006 season (a historic five-game wipeout) and the 2007 season (a traditional three-game set). If you pause the picture (on a high-def DVR), you can make out the score 5-0, which is how the 2007 series ended. So I’m going to call it: Jack’s flash-forward took place in late summer of 2007.

This is an excellent catch. It also puts to rest the “Aaron aged quickly” theories.

But this thought occurred to me last night as I tried to make sense of Miles’ fixation with Claire: What if she actually didn’t survive the obliteration of her home in last week’s episode? What if she died? What if the Claire we’ve seen since then is some kind of spectral but physically tangible manifestation of Claire generated by Island magic, just like Eko’s brother Yemi, Kate’s horse, and now, apparently, Christian? Could that be why Miles is so intrigued by her — because he can sense that she’s no longer human?

This could well be true, but wouldn’t Mile’s reaction to Christian and Claire been a lot different than what we saw? I mean, we saw how he reacted to finding Carle and Danielle. Wouldn’t he have had a similar reaction to Claire in the first place? Or at least be a little startled?

As for Charlotte’s Korean, the crazy thought occurred to me that perhaps this Dharma-hunting anthropologist uses it to converse with one of her secret masters, someone I suspect has more to do with the larger Lost mythology than we’ve been led to believe — Sun’s father, Mr. Paik.

This is a nice tie-in with the “sins of the fathers corrected by the children” theory. I bet this is right.

Lost: Something Nice Back Home

I don’t think this episode was quite as high impact as the last one, but it did have it’s moments. In the “I didn’t see that coming” category we have: Rose questioning why Jack would be getting sick; Charlotte speaking Korean (good catch TropicHunt.com Guy!); Jack’s proposal to Kate.

How in the world could Kate doing something for Sawyer get Jack that upset? I think it deflects the real question though: Who was Kate talking to?

What happened to Claire that lead her to leave Aaron behind? Where did she go? Did Christian take her away to wherever he has been all this time?

I loved the fact that when Jack saw Christian, he was wearing those white tennis shoes. It didn’t appear to me that Christian was wearing a suit when he was holding Aaron though.
And did you catch the previews? Horace (from Dharma) saying that he’s been dead for 12 years?
How many dead people have we seen running around? Christian, Yemi, Horace (well next week), Charlie…

The strange thing is, Charlie seems to know he died, and from the previews it sounds like Horace does too.

Does this mean the island is some kind of way point between worlds? Some property of the island make it possible to not only communicate with the dead, but bring them back in some way?

That does explain why they wanted Miles on the island, at least to some extent.

As last week, a lot of things to digest.

One last thing…. Did Jack have a scar when he was in that towel or not?

What did you think of tonight’s show?

LOST Conference Call Details


Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune has an excellent write-up of the lost conference call held yesterday by executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. She’s broken everything up into “not spoilery”, “mild-to-medium” spoilers and “Heavy Duty Spoilers”.

A couple of “not spoilery” topics:

No LOST spinoffs planned.

There are 34 episodes left after this season is over.

and this interesting tidbit:


On what books “Lost” fans should be reading to prepare for the next two seasons: “Continue reading the Bible,” Cuse said.

For more spoilers, check out the article.

LOST: Meet Kevin Johnson

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Spoilers ahead!

Whoa.

It wasn’t until the end of the show that I remembered what the said in the previous episode “someone will die”.

And in true Lost fashion, Danielle and Carl both got shot, and we don’t know which of the two died. Maybe both. (And no offense, Carl, but I hope Danielle survives).

OK, thoughts on tonight’s show:

First of all, maybe it’s always this way, and I just never noticed it before, but there seemed to be a lot of commercials tonight. That flashing “The Mole” logo was annoying too. Guess it was meant to be an Easter Egg to get all
us Lost fans excited. Put on a good show. That gets people excited.

Ben and his lists. He wants a list of people on the boat, presumably for the same reason that he wanted a list of the people from the tail section: To pick out the “good” people. How does Ben expect to get them? The only
person I can think that fit in this category is Lapidus. I think Faraday likely also falls into this category. Not Charlotte or Miles though.

Tom told Michael that the island won’t let him kill himself. Why would Michael think that using a bomb was going to work? Ben and Tom both know that the island won’t let Michael kill himself, so I’d wager that when that thing goes
off, Michael won’t be near it. In fact, I’m going so far as to say that Michael will be the one that ends up saving the Oceanic 6.

Speaking of the Oceanic 6, since The Others had Michael followed, I think we can assume that Jack, Kate & Aaron, Hurley and Sun all have people watching them.

Anyway, back to Michael. I think the pool on “Who’s in the coffin” got bolstered by Michael’s sucidial tendencies. If the island has a purpose for him, and he can’t kill himself… how long does that last? Until Michael does what the island needs? What happens then?

People had always wondered whether Tom was gay or not, after what he said to Kate in the locker room at the beginning of Season 3. Guess that answers that.

It was good to see that Walt was OK… pretty upset, but alive.

The “Ben planted the fake plane” theory got thrown into the air again. I know I thought last week that I was vindicated in the theory that Ben really did plant the plane, but after seeing the pictures Tom had, I have to side with the “Widmore planted it” theory. Another reason I think this is because Frank (the helicopter pilot) thinks he’s on the boat because Widmore believes his theory. I think Frank is right, but very mistaken about what’s going on.

If you staged a plane crash, and you found out that someone knew that it had been faked, what better way to keep them quiet than get them on that boat? Frank thinks he’s there to help… he’s there to be kept shut up. I bet that the rest of the machine-gunning trap shooters on the boat were told to kill Frank after the “mission” was over.

Ben used the phrase “A killer without a greater purpose”. Pretty scary. I think he believes that he is in that kind of role, and is absolved of responsibility because of it.

Ben said Michael could “Consider yourself one of the good guys”. I’d be willing to bet that he didn’t mean “good” as in “on the good list”. Ben will do away with Michael when it serves his purpose.

Sayid turning Michael in to the captain. That has bad news written all over it.

Now, about Danielle and Carl getting shot: Remember in “The Other Woman” when Ben sent out Goodwin, knowing that he’d end up dying? I think Ben hatched the same plan to get rid of Carl, after seeing Carl’s arm around Alex. I think Ben knew that they’d go out to the jungle and get shot. The “errand” that Frank had to run with the helicopter must have been to drop off some commandos to find Ben on the island. Wonder if any of them will suffer any Winkowski-like side effects, or meet up with that smoke monster?

Lost is off until April 24th. They’re running it straight through until the end of the season; five new shows. I lived blogged tonight’s show, and I’ll try it again when the next show comes around.

What did you think of tonight’s show?

LOST: Ji Yeon

Daniel Dae Kim

Spoilers ahead:

Before we start in on tonight’s episode, a quick thought:

It’s really interesting that Lost’s signature flashbacks and flashforwards mimic Desmond’s (and presumably Faraday’s) jumping back and forth through time. I’m not sure if this was really intentional from the beginning, but it really stands out since I’ve thought of this.

OK… One more thing: There sure is a lot of kissing going on in this show for a bunch of people that haven’t had a lot of ready access to toothpaste.

Anyway… On to thoughts about tonight’s show:

I’m beginning to think I’m going to need to live blog this show. About half way through I called a friend to tell him what I noticed was going on, but he hadn’t started watching yet. My wife was my only witness to this…. you’d believe her, right?

About midway through the show, I realized that Jin was running around like a crazy man because he was on an errand for Mr. Paik, not hurrying to get to Sun and he was likely in a different timeline. The phone calls were too frequent, Sun was in a hotel room when she started having contractions – there were other signs too. I will fess up and say that after a bit, I switched to thinking that it wasn’t a different timeline, but that Sun and Jin had split up and Jin still worked for Paik. Should have gone with my first instinct.

I don’t think Regina’s behavior had anything to do with the island. I think my theory about Naomi and Regina was right, and Regina just completely lost it and committed suicide over it.

Walt is no where to be seen and Michael is working for Ben as I said in another theory. Ben must be threatening Walt in some way if Michael has gone on that boat to help Ben.

Despite what the captain said, and the theory I wrote about Ben and the crash site, I admit I was surprised to hear him blame it on Ben. Whatever Ben’s “powers” are, or what kind of clout he has – well, that’s some pretty big mojo. How in the heck did he do that? I’m beginning to think that Ben actually does have some kind of powers, or at least some kind of control over space/time. How else could have have gotten a plane out into the middle of the ocean without anyone noticing? Questions, questions.

One thing I’m relatively sure about though – I don’t think Jin is dead, and he’s still on the island. I think that’s just his empty grave site, which would be there whether he was really dead or not. Sun wouldn’t have been able to explain NOT wanting a grave site, and people around her would want to do it. I think she was talking to the gravestone as a way of just talking to Jin. The counter argument to this is: Why would Hurley suggest they go visit that gravesite? Why would he say “good” when Sun told him no one else was coming. And by “no one else”, I took that to mean Jack or Kate. I guess that could have meant that he just didn’t want to go with anyone else but Sun. If he is alive, that would be the reason Sun would go back. (And I am assuming all the survivors will end up going back to the island).

That makes the Oceanic Five So Far: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Aaron and Sun. (Edit Rich P rightly points out that Sayid is #6). The more this goes on, I think the last person to round out the Six is John Locke, and that’s who’s going to end up being in that coffin. I’m sure that Ben still considers Locke a threat, and, just like Goodwin, will get him “out of the way”, as soon as possible. If Ben ends up killing someone so in tune with the island… what would that mean?

Anyway, that’s it for now. What did you think of the show?

LOST: The Constant

I’m going to make this brief, since I’m still not feeling well:

Excellent episode! Probably my favorite of the season so far.

Finally an explanation for what Desmond’s time traveling is! The entire interplay with Desmond and Daniel is likely why Daniel was with a caretaker, and why he was crying when they found flight 815.

This also probably means that Charlie isn’t traveling back and forth in time, since Desmond’s conscience is the thing that’s traveling back and forth in time. Charlie was either Hurley’s hallucination or maybe a manifestation of whatever is on the island that causes those embodiments of Jack’s father/Walt/The Horse/etc to appear. Right now I’m think it must be a hallucination.

Probably the next biggest bomb to drop was the Charles Widmore really does have a connection to the island that I’ve suspected for so long. The book Widmore bought was likely one of the key things that he needed to find the island.

Remember the episode when Michael left the island with Walt? Ben told Michael to leave on heading 325 (I’ll have to double check that). The heading written down on the paper was 305. What will that difference mean to Michael and Walt?

Update: It also showed what fictional scientists do, sometimes with bad results: Daniel Faraday experimented on himself to achieve the time traveling ability. Why else would he have written that Desmond was his “constant”? I think this is also supported by the fact that Daniel has a caretaker. Why would he need that? Maybe if he went catatonic ever so often, the way George did and Desmond does?

What did you think of the episode?

LOST: An Overall Theory About The Fight For The Island.

I was thinking about this a bit more and realized that all this time bopping around might have bigger significance:

Here we have an island that’s been around a long, long time. People find the island ever so often. The people that already live there either stay hidden, or grab people to be part of the bigger group because they’re good candidates. (But candidates for what? More on that later.)

In more modern times, the island is discovered, but this time by someone that thinks they can exploit whatever power the island has to their own benefit. They set up shop. They start experiments in magnetism, screw around with time to see if they can control it.

Meanwhile, the original inhabitants stay hidden. They stay hidden until they find a kid (Ben) on the island that’s receptive to what the island is really all about, and one of them (Richard) goes to talk to him. They bide their time until Ben gets older.

They hatch (ha…excuse the pun) a plan: They want to make sure that no one ever accidently runs across the island again. The problem? They women there can’t have children, and they need to figure out why this is happening. If they figure that out, they’re good to go. The island can stay hidden.

So what are they hiding? The very thing the researchers (and really, their backers) are trying to exploit: time travel.

In The Original Others hands, everything is fine. They can help steer the time line the way they always have. The were able to bring in “good candidates” to help them. People with abilities like Walt’s are “special”, because they’re already to the point where they can be trained to control what The Original Others already know how to do.

In the hands of the researchers and industrialists, time travel technology wouldn’t just be bad, it would be disastrous.

And that’s why Ben is fighting tooth and nail to keep those newcomers off the island. They’re the paramiltary group that the industrials have sent in, because they’re not going down without a fight?

Who are those guys? Widmore probably… Mr. Paik maybe.

What do you think? Does this sound right?